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Old 07-17-2012, 03:21 PM
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Hello. Fairly new to automatic engines that are now avail. My question from the shopnbc site for the Invicta Grand diver with movement desription TMI NH35A or SII NH35A, whats the diffence and is this movement reliable?
I am a big fan of Ronda movements but want to try an auto. Please dont recommend me the 7750 due high $$$. In a nut shell for the money what automatic movement keep accurate time.
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Old 07-17-2012, 03:30 PM
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here is the website...TMI appears to be the parent company and SII appears to be the product sales division....no difference in the product , I may be wrong in the corp. gobblygook however....the mov't is reliable.

When in doubt on these issues , you might want to ask Wing...he is an encyclopedia.

http://www.timemodule.com/index.php
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I believe the NH35A is the same movement listed differently as TMI is the parent company to seiko. I have two watches with this movement and they keep great time and i love the hacking second hand and hand winding capabilities. I think you'll be pleased. P.S. one is the grand diver with NH35 and its the first watch I wanted more than one version of.
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I've had zero issues with my Grand Diver with the Nh35a. Keeps great time for the cost. +/- 1 minutes in 24-48 hrs

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Thanks fellas that makes it very clear. Thank you greatly.
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Here is how the companies actually relate to each other. Hope it helps.

Time Module (H.K.) Ltd., a member of the Seiko Holdings Group, was established in 1987 with funds from SEIKO Corporatoin, SEIKO Instruments Inc. and SEIKO EPSON Corporation. In terms of how they relate to SII, they are the marketing agent for SII Japan made movements. TMI also manufactures their own line of Chinese made movements. SII (Seiko Instruments Inc.) headquartered in Japan is also a member company of Seiko Holdings Group, is a separate entity from Seiko Watch Corporation and their movements carry the SII label, not the Seiko name, and are never marketed as such.

SII also manufactures SEIKO brand movements and luxury mechanical watches for Seiko Watch Corporation through Morioka Seiko Instruments Inc., a separate wholly owned subsidiary of SII. The best of the best are made at their Shizuku-Ishi watch studio.
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Nice one Brad.
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Here is how the companies actually relate to each other. Hope it helps.

Time Module (H.K.) Ltd., a member of the Seiko Holdings Group, was established in 1987 with funds from SEIKO Corporatoin, SEIKO Instruments Inc. and SEIKO EPSON Corporation. In terms of how they relate to SII, they are the marketing agent for SII Japan made movements. TMI also manufactures their own line of Chinese made movements. SII (Seiko Instruments Inc.) headquartered in Japan is also a member company of Seiko Holdings Group, is a separate entity from Seiko Watch Corporation and their movements carry the SII label, not the Seiko name, and are never marketed as such.

SII also manufactures SEIKO brand movements and luxury mechanical watches for Seiko Watch Corporation through Morioka Seiko Instruments Inc., a separate wholly owned subsidiary of SII. The best of the best are made at their Shizuku-Ishi watch studio.
Yeah, what he said...also, I really like my NH35A. Seems like a solid movement to me.
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I have about a dozen watches with the NH35A and have yet to experience even the least problem with any of them. IMUO, it's a great movement.
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I have had three of them and had one that would not wind automatically new from Invicta. Still really like the movement and very accurate.
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Thanks for the question Ruben, I learned from the responses myself. Welcome to the forum.
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i have the nh25 and 35 love em both very nice price you might even try Stuhrlings in house Caliber ST-90016 Automatic used in pieces like the tuskegee flyer..or the seahawk
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Manual/Self-Winding Mechanical Movement

ST-90016 Calibre

Hours, Minutes, and Seconds with Quick Set Day and Date

21,600 v.p.h.

22 Jewels

36 Hours Power Reserve

Fully Decorated Movement with C?tes de Geneve and Perlage Treatments, Blued Steel Screws and a Damier Finished Rotor with Engraved Stührling Logo
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Welcome aboard !
I have the 35A and is one of my favorite movements. I actually prefer it over the ETA 2824 series just because the bi-directional rotor is much more efficient IMO. Factor in the price difference and accuracy...great bang for the buck.
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I've had zero issues with my Grand Diver with the Nh35a. Keeps great time for the cost. +/- 1 minutes in 24-48 hrs
I hope you mean +/- 1 second in 24-48 hours, because +/- 1 minute is not keeping good time.
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Ruben,

You're in good shape.
I have a Grand Diver, and it is the Citizen, which is flawless.
The new one's that you have is the Seiko movement, and winds
in both directions if I am correct.
You can't beat Seiko, and you can't beat Citizen.
You have a flawless movement as an engine, you will love it.
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The NH35 is a solid movement in my experience !
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There are also miyota movements which are awesome! 9015,9100
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Great explanation FLYBACK, thank you. The reason i am concerned about the SII NH35 is that a watch i had to return had this movement and was 19 sec fast and the date did not change at midnight. Returned the watch for replacement and same happened. Been advised that a Miyota 9100 series is the best bang for the $$. Therefore hesitant to purchase the Invicta GD.
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Send Wing Liang a PM. He's the best for this information and will give it to you straight.
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Great explanation FLYBACK, thank you. The reason i am concerned about the SII NH35 is that a watch i had to return had this movement and was 19 sec fast and the date did not change at midnight. Returned the watch for replacement and same happened. Been advised that a Miyota 9100 series is the best bang for the $$. Therefore hesitant to purchase the Invicta GD.
If ur looking for a dive watch I would really look at deep blue if u don't already have one. They're are awesome watches and use the very reliable miyota movements and eta three hand auto movements.
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I just wanted to chirp in on your 19 sec fast, as I beleive this is within the range of accuracy for the mov't & most times the mov't will adjust after a 2 or 3 week break in period, so it might have gotten to within a more accpetable range for you with extended wrist time.

The date on some watches don't change exacly at 12:00 midnight, so again unless it's hours & hours before it changes I would'nt worry about it.


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Great explanation FLYBACK, thank you. The reason i am concerned about the SII NH35 is that a watch i had to return had this movement and was 19 sec fast and the date did not change at midnight. Returned the watch for replacement and same happened. Been advised that a Miyota 9100 series is the best bang for the $$. Therefore hesitant to purchase the Invicta GD.
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Wing highly recommended the Miyota 9100 series. His comparison to the Miyota vs. SII was a V8 verses a V6 engine.
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