Second Broken Heart this year!!

[fourtwentymon]

Having been a jet airframe mechanic in the U.S. Air-Force, I can really appreciate the look of that Autopilot & want one real bad !. But I also have a 6.5 " wrist & just not sure if I can pull off a watch that big. I wear a 44mm round case diver, 12mm thick as my everyday watch with no problem. Any bigger though & I think it just wouldn't look right. Am hesitant to pull the trigger on that Autopilot for fear of it looking like a boat anchor on my small wrist. If anybody knows the overall dimensions of that beauty, total thickness from bottom of case to top of crystal & size from lug to lug i'd greatly appreciate it !! I read the case size is 14mm, but does that include the bezel & crystal ? THANKS in advance.

[Zeithalter]

The watch in question, yes?



My take on it all is that big watches are getting too big, and a bit silly.
You'll still see big ones come and go, but I think the standard will land
somewhere south of that. I'm a big guy, but my RDs look silly on me
sometimes, in my estimation. Yet I have a Ritmo Hercules that is just as
big but wears smaller. I like them sometimes, but sometimes I don't. This
looks like NFWs Venom. I like the look of the Venom, but I think it is over
priced and over wrought, and I don't want to pay all the extra money for
water resitance I will never use. If there were a cheaper 100m version
around $200, I might grab one. Still I have to say it is too big, mostly too
thick.

I agree that 48 is about the practical outside limit, but the other end of
that scale is now about 42 for me. I just can't get into my smaller
watches any more. They look equally as silly on my 8" wrist as any RD
does.

I'd say that if you wear a 44 with no problems, then a 48 is just not that
much of a stretch if you love the design. Not an everday watch perhaps,
but not insane either. Up to a point, 4mm is not that much. When you hit
50, then that extra four pushes it over the top.

[arielr22]

Pers and some others, I totally agree. After looking at the comparing pics of the AP next to the Viperfish and on George's wrist, I will also unfortunately pass. The watch looks very big and would probably look awkward on my barely 7'' wrist. My limit is usually no bigger than 47mm case, but the combination of a 48mm case and 18mm height is too big for my tastes and wrist size. :-(

[Pers]

Originally Posted by Zeithalter

This
looks like NFWs Venom. I like the look of the Venom, but I think it is over
priced and over wrought, and I don't want to pay all the extra money for
water resitance I will never use. If there were a cheaper 100m version
around $200, I might grab one. Still I have to say it is too big, mostly too
thick.

Zeithalter I agree with everything you said except for the point about NFWs being overpriced if anything NFW's are underpriced my Autopilot is the epitome of quality and the fit and finish is there with almost anything I own they are fantastic watches. And they sell for even more at retail and sell well. So the value is undoubtably there. One thing to remember is that this is a tool watch so the water resistance is for a purpose. I just don't think it needs to be 48mm to serve that purpose. There are plenty of tool dive watches out there that are no where near 48mm too bad that is not the case here. However for what your getting in the Viperfish you would be hard pressed to find another watch for $500 that will have the design, quality, and uniqueness of it. My NFW is easily worth double what I paid for it in my opinion.

[Panda03Bear]

There is no such thing as too big. Unless you have a 5" wrist you should be fine. I find 48 mm to be pretty perfect for a 7" wrist. Saw the prototype case yesterday and it is not not not too big. Cheers

[CharlieB]

Geeks who want a smaller ViperFish take heart! I could have sworn I read George say in a post somewhere that he may very well come out with a smaller version of it after this first model has sold for a while.
I'd ask him about it. He'll tell you what he's got planned.

[Pers]

Originally Posted by CharlieB

Geeks who want a smaller ViperFish take heart! I could have sworn I read George say in a post somewhere that he may very well come out with a smaller version of it after this first model has sold for a while.
I'd ask him about it. He'll tell you what he's got planned.

I never saw that. That would be awesome Charlie! I was completely unaware of that. I hope your right. I will have to ask George when I get a chance to. Thanks

[ky70]

Originally Posted by Pers

Zeithalter I agree with everything you said except for the point about NFWs being overpriced...

Pers, I beleive Zeihalter was speaking of the Venom being overpriced.

[Zeithalter]

Originally Posted by ky70

Pers, I beleive Zeihalter was speaking of the Venom being overpriced.

Yes, Indeed;

I was speaking of the Venom. I have no clue what point NFW watches are priced at. In fact, I know virtually nothing about them at all... yet. Now, I must say that if there are things about the Venom that make it that much more expensvie to produce - like making it so insanely water resistant, I'm sure - then I can fully understand that. For me, I do not dive. I do not swim with a watch on. I would NEVER even wear a watch in the shower. As such, that extra cost is not worth anything to me, and makes them "over priced" for my purposes.

I think we are in agreement. I think it is the height that is really bothering you. I'd say this. Get one anyway. Give it a try. I am willing to bet that there will people out there who would take it off your hands for what you paid for it if you decide that it really doesn't work for you. Or... find out about this possible smaller version.

Either way, good luck and good hunting!

[Pers]

Sorry about that Zeithalter I misunderstood about the venom, therefore I do agree with you on all counts. Thanks for the input and you do have a good point as well about the water resistance of most watches being pretty unneccesary for most people who buy them.

[shaffer001]

Pers;

You live in CT., the home base of NFW, so you may be able to go see the watch in person before you buy. Then you can put it on the wrist and really decide if it is tooooo big for you. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

[Furdog]

Knowing how much George pours over his designs I know he would not put into production anything that didn't fit well. Even with the extra size you have to consider the lugs, look how much room is below the case compared to the AP.

There are other factors which I believe make it look so big in the photos.

There was a handful that were allowed to see it in person this weekend. I would be interested in their opinion of the size.

[Ticktock389PRI]

It looks as thick as an Invicta Venom !

[ky70]

Originally Posted by Furdog

Knowing how much George pours over his designs I know he would not put into production anything that didn't fit well. Even with the extra size you have to consider the lugs, look how much room is below the case compared to the AP.

There are other factors which I believe make it look so big in the photos.

I hear ya, but a 48mm diameter, 18.5mm height case is a "big" watch regardless of how well the fit or short the lug to lug distance.

[Pers]

True that ky70...Very good point

[G.Fox]

Originally Posted by Pers

True that ky70...Very good point

Hey buddy! Thanks very much for your kind words and your honest concern about the V-Fish being a big watch.

I know you & I are supposed to get together for dinner sometime soon (burgers at the Angus restaurant, right?). I'll bring the prototype cases with me so you can try 'em on and see what you think.

I realize that this watch may be considered too large for some. If I made it smaller then there would also be a group who'd say it's too small.... it's impossible to please everyone with one watch, no doubt about it. I wanted this watch to really make a bold statement, to have a 5mm thick sapphire crystal, and a deep chapter ring & dial area. I feel that proportionately, the height-to-diameter is exactly what I wanted in this design.

I do think the photos of it next to the AutoPilot case are a bit deceiving. The V-Fish is only 3.5mm thicker than the AP. But the lugs of the V-Fish are curved down around the wrist more, so when sitting on a table these lugs tend to really raise the case off the surface, making it appear much taller, in comparison to the AP, whose lugs have much less of a "bridge" effect.

I'd really like to hear from some of the folks who were at the PA GGT this past weekend, who had a chance to not only see it for themselves, but also had a chance to try it on their wrists.

At any rate, Rich, I'd like you to try it on. If it's too big, it's too big. But we can at least have some good burgers & beers, brutha! ;>)

Thanks again,

George

[WATCHURSELF]

George - i was at the PAGGT and although i didnt try it on i got a very good look at it while talking to you and just plain hanging around you to check it out

i have a 6" wrist (yeah i know girly wrists) and the curveture of the lugs make it absolutely possible for me to wear it -it is a tall watch but i would say not so much to be a deal breaker

i would suggest anyone with this concern to order it -get it home and try it - worse case you can return it or re-sell it if its not for you

-it was nice to finally meet you Mr Fox!!

[Furdog]

Can't beat that offer!!! ;-)

[G.Fox]

Originally Posted by WATCHURSELF

George - i was at the PAGGT and although i didnt try it on i got a very good look at it while talking to you and just plain hanging around you to check it out

i have a 6" wrist (yeah i know girly wrists) and the curveture of the lugs make it absolutely possible for me to wear it -it is a tall watch but i would say not so much to be a deal breaker

i would suggest anyone with this concern to order it -get it home and try it - worse case you can return it or re-sell it if its not for you

-it was nice to finally meet you Mr Fox!!

Hey George! Man, it was a great pleasure to finally meet you!!! Wish we had more time to chat... Maybe we need to have a "Georges GGT" for all the cool Geo's in the world... ;>)

Thanks for your thoughts on the V-Fish. I spend a huge amount of time dealing with wrist curvature on all our watches. When this is done correctly it's amazing what a huge range of wrist sizes will work with a single watch.

I'll just have to get Mr. Pers drunk and then sell him one of every ViperFish model.... LOL! He's a great guy and I totally respect his opinion. But now I'm challenging myself to get a mean & nasty fish clamped down on his wrist!

G

[WATCHURSELF]

Yeah - we got alot of George's on WG's -might be a BIG Event LOL

i forgot to mention - i won a Vector at the PAGGT and its 44mm
well it SOMEHOW wears bigger than that

great looking watch George- i would dare say ANY NFW would be a great watch to wear

Be Good -see you at the Next GGT!!

Originally Posted by G.Fox

Hey George! Man, it was a great pleasure to finally meet you!!! Wish we had more time to chat... Maybe we need to have a "Georges GGT" for all the cool Geo's in the world... ;>)

Thanks for your thoughts on the V-Fish. I spend a huge amount of time dealing with wrist curvature on all our watches. When this is done correctly it's amazing what a huge range of wrist sizes will work with a single watch.

I'll just have to get Mr. Pers drunk and then sell him one of every ViperFish model.... LOL! He's a great guy and I totally respect his opinion. But now I'm challenging myself to get a mean & nasty fish clamped down on his wrist!

G

[RKD0110]

I love my NFW Vectors but that's my limit on my 6.5" wrist, anything over 43 mm and it starts to overwhelm. I'll have to enjoy the pics of the Viper Fish but not on my wrist........it is a sweet design though.

[Pers]

Hey George,

First of all congrats again on the new addition to the fam I haven't talked to you since then. I'm happy for you. I definetaly look forward to still doing dinner when you have time, things must be hectic for you. Everyone on here has been saying I need to see it in person before I make any decisions so that is a good idea. And burgers and beer never hurt either lol. I'll tell you what I was surprised when I saw those case pics, knowing the measurements and actually seeing the pics were two different things. I understand you can't always please everyone but it is frustrating as well when you see something you like that much but its not a fit for you. But as can be evidenced by this post I am in quite the minority so you definetally made the right decision. You are definetaly the expert and yours design is incredible. Im sure theres actually people on here who would like to see it bigger lol. Shoot me a pm when you wanna get together.


Peace

[Kanbasher]

Originally Posted by fourtwentymon

Having been a jet airframe mechanic in the U.S. Air-Force, I can really appreciate the look of that Autopilot & want one real bad !. But I also have a 6.5 " wrist & just not sure if I can pull off a watch that big. I wear a 44mm round case diver, 12mm thick as my everyday watch with no problem. Any bigger though & I think it just wouldn't look right. Am hesitant to pull the trigger on that Autopilot for fear of it looking like a boat anchor on my small wrist. If anybody knows the overall dimensions of that beauty, total thickness from bottom of case to top of crystal & size from lug to lug i'd greatly appreciate it !! I read the case size is 14mm, but does that include the bezel & crystal ? THANKS in advance.

Same size wrist as you. Trust me, I've got girly man wrists.
If I can pull off an Autopilot, you can too!

[fourtwentymon]

Thanks to all who replied. You helped me decide to go for it. The Autopilot is too cool to pass up... & I owe myself a X-MAS present !